Dynomotion

Group: DynoMotion Message: 6302 From: dotma99 Date: 12/21/2012
Subject: Problem with KStep
Hi Tom

I am having a strange problem with Kstep. I am using it to drive small steppers for an A and B axis, each axis with two steppers with the pairs of step and direction signals (from a kflop) connected together.

This setup has worked fine for 20 plus hours, but when I switched on today, there appears to be no output to two of the steppers (one of each pair).

When I disconnect the steppers and power up, I get 23.9V from the pairs on J3 and J4, but no voltage from J2 and J5. (I am using 24V power).

So far as I know, I have made no changes, and nothing looks fried!

Any ideas?

best

Edward
Group: DynoMotion Message: 6306 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 12/21/2012
Subject: Re: Problem with KStep
Hi Edward,

That doesn't sound good.  It would appear the board is somehow damaged.  It might not make sense to use a voltmeter on the output with no motor connected.  But if the Board has Motor Power, +5V, and is Enabled (all 3 KFLOP LEDs on) then all 4 of the motors should be energized and have holding torque.  If they don't then something must have gone wrong with the board.  I haven't heard of any other such problems.  Strange that two channels would have problems. What type of motors exactly are you using?  How are you supplying +5V to KSTEP?  It isn't clear how you are driving two channels from one set of Step/Dir signals.  We would normally recommend slaving two axes together, but I don't see how that could cause a problem with no drive to the motor.

I suspect you will need to return the board so we can analyze and repair it.

Regards
TK


Group: DynoMotion Message: 6485 From: dotma99 Date: 1/15/2013
Subject: Re: Problem with KStep
Hi Tom

I think it is likely to be a board problem as I have been running this set up for a number of months, and I am not putting much stress on it. In addition, I have temporarily replaced it with a $45 sparkfun quadstepper board which works OK (though a touch low on torque).

Could I send the board back for you to test? Do you have any particular mailing instructions?

regards

Edward

The motors I am using are small Nema17 steppers. I have been using a 24v switching power supply.

http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/en/nema-17-stepper-motors/373-sy42sth47-1684a-high-torque-hybrid-stepper-motors.html

Model No.
SY42STH47-1684

Voltage
2.8V

Current (phase)
1.68A

Inductance (Phase)
2.8mH

Holding Torque
4.4kg/cm

I am supplying 5v to the board from a Kanalog.

Connecting two drivers to the same step/direction signals has not caused me problems in the past. My machine has 9 steppers, so I am short of a channel to slave them all as you suggest.



--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes wrote:
>
> Hi Edward,
>
> That doesn't sound good.  It would appear the board is somehow damaged.  It might not make sense to use a voltmeter on the output with no motor connected.  But if the Board has Motor Power, +5V, and is Enabled (all 3 KFLOP LEDs on) then all 4 of the motors should be energized and have holding torque.  If they don't then something must have gone wrong with the board.  I haven't heard of any other such problems.  Strange that two channels would have problems. What type of motors exactly are you using?  How are you supplying +5V to KSTEP?  It isn't clear how you are driving two channels from one set of Step/Dir signals.  We would normally recommend slaving two axes together, but I don't see how that could cause a problem with no drive to the motor.
>
> I suspect you will need to return the board so we can analyze and repair it.
>
> Regards
> TK
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: dotma99
> To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 6:25 AM
> Subject: [DynoMotion] Problem with KStep
>
>
>  
> Hi Tom
>
> I am having a strange problem with Kstep. I am using it to drive small steppers for an A and B axis, each axis with two steppers with the pairs of step and direction signals (from a kflop) connected together.
>
> This setup has worked fine for 20 plus hours, but when I switched on today, there appears to be no output to two of the steppers (one of each pair).
>
> When I disconnect the steppers and power up, I get 23.9V from the pairs on J3 and J4, but no voltage from J2 and J5. (I am using 24V power).
>
> So far as I know, I have made no changes, and nothing looks fried!
>
> Any ideas?
>
> best
>
> Edward
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 6488 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 1/15/2013
Subject: Re: Problem with KStep
Hi Edward,

You can send us the board for testing.  Send to:

Dynomotion, Inc.
c/o Tom Kerekes RMA#15
3532 Adamsville Ave
Calabasas, CA 91302

Regards
TK

Group: DynoMotion Message: 6889 From: dotma99 Date: 3/7/2013
Subject: Re: Problem with KStep
Hi Tom

I sent the kStep board back to you about three weeks ago (from the UK). Could you confirm that you have received it; or not?

Thanks

Edward

--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, "dotma99" <edward@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Tom
>
> I think it is likely to be a board problem as I have been running this set up for a number of months, and I am not putting much stress on it. In addition, I have temporarily replaced it with a $45 sparkfun quadstepper board which works OK (though a touch low on torque).
>
> Could I send the board back for you to test? Do you have any particular mailing instructions?
>
> regards
>
> Edward
>
> The motors I am using are small Nema17 steppers. I have been using a 24v switching power supply.
>
> http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/en/nema-17-stepper-motors/373-sy42sth47-1684a-high-torque-hybrid-stepper-motors.html
>
> Model No.
> SY42STH47-1684
>
> Voltage
> 2.8V
>
> Current (phase)
> 1.68A
>
> Inductance (Phase)
> 2.8mH
>
> Holding Torque
> 4.4kg/cm
>
> I am supplying 5v to the board from a Kanalog.
>
> Connecting two drivers to the same step/direction signals has not caused me problems in the past. My machine has 9 steppers, so I am short of a channel to slave them all as you suggest.
>
>
>
> --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes wrote:
> >
> > Hi Edward,
> >
> > That doesn't sound good.  It would appear the board is somehow damaged.  It might not make sense to use a voltmeter on the output with no motor connected.  But if the Board has Motor Power, +5V, and is Enabled (all 3 KFLOP LEDs on) then all 4 of the motors should be energized and have holding torque.  If they don't then something must have gone wrong with the board.  I haven't heard of any other such problems.  Strange that two channels would have problems. What type of motors exactly are you using?  How are you supplying +5V to KSTEP?  It isn't clear how you are driving two channels from one set of Step/Dir signals.  We would normally recommend slaving two axes together, but I don't see how that could cause a problem with no drive to the motor.
> >
> > I suspect you will need to return the board so we can analyze and repair it.
> >
> > Regards
> > TK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: dotma99
> > To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 6:25 AM
> > Subject: [DynoMotion] Problem with KStep
> >
> >
> >  
> > Hi Tom
> >
> > I am having a strange problem with Kstep. I am using it to drive small steppers for an A and B axis, each axis with two steppers with the pairs of step and direction signals (from a kflop) connected together.
> >
> > This setup has worked fine for 20 plus hours, but when I switched on today, there appears to be no output to two of the steppers (one of each pair).
> >
> > When I disconnect the steppers and power up, I get 23.9V from the pairs on J3 and J4, but no voltage from J2 and J5. (I am using 24V power).
> >
> > So far as I know, I have made no changes, and nothing looks fried!
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > best
> >
> > Edward
> >
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 6894 From: TK Date: 3/7/2013
Subject: Re: Problem with KStep
Hi Edward,

No I don't recall receiving anything. Do you have tracking?

Regards
TK

On Mar 7, 2013, at 5:34 AM, "dotma99" <edward@...> wrote:

 

Hi Tom

I sent the kStep board back to you about three weeks ago (from the UK). Could you confirm that you have received it; or not?

Thanks

Edward

--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, "dotma99" <edward@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Tom
>
> I think it is likely to be a board problem as I have been running this set up for a number of months, and I am not putting much stress on it. In addition, I have temporarily replaced it with a $45 sparkfun quadstepper board which works OK (though a touch low on torque).
>
> Could I send the board back for you to test? Do you have any particular mailing instructions?
>
> regards
>
> Edward
>
> The motors I am using are small Nema17 steppers. I have been using a 24v switching power supply.
>
> http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/en/nema-17-stepper-motors/373-sy42sth47-1684a-high-torque-hybrid-stepper-motors.html
>
> Model No.
> SY42STH47-1684
>
> Voltage
> 2.8V
>
> Current (phase)
> 1.68A
>
> Inductance (Phase)
> 2.8mH
>
> Holding Torque
> 4.4kg/cm
>
> I am supplying 5v to the board from a Kanalog.
>
> Connecting two drivers to the same step/direction signals has not caused me problems in the past. My machine has 9 steppers, so I am short of a channel to slave them all as you suggest.
>
>
>
> --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes wrote:
> >
> > Hi Edward,
> >
> > That doesn't sound good.  It would appear the board is somehow damaged.  It might not make sense to use a voltmeter on the output with no motor connected.  But if the Board has Motor Power, +5V, and is Enabled (all 3 KFLOP LEDs on) then all 4 of the motors should be energized and have holding torque.  If they don't then something must have gone wrong with the board.  I haven't heard of any other such problems.  Strange that two channels would have problems. What type of motors exactly are you using?  How are you supplying +5V to KSTEP?  It isn't clear how you are driving two channels from one set of Step/Dir signals.  We would normally recommend slaving two axes together, but I don't see how that could cause a problem with no drive to the motor.
> >
> > I suspect you will need to return the board so we can analyze and repair it.
> >
> > Regards
> > TK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: dotma99
> > To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 6:25 AM
> > Subject: [DynoMotion] Problem with KStep
> >
> >
> >  
> > Hi Tom
> >
> > I am having a strange problem with Kstep. I am using it to drive small steppers for an A and B axis, each axis with two steppers with the pairs of step and direction signals (from a kflop) connected together.
> >
> > This setup has worked fine for 20 plus hours, but when I switched on today, there appears to be no output to two of the steppers (one of each pair).
> >
> > When I disconnect the steppers and power up, I get 23.9V from the pairs on J3 and J4, but no voltage from J2 and J5. (I am using 24V power).
> >
> > So far as I know, I have made no changes, and nothing looks fried!
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > best
> >
> > Edward
> >
>

Group: DynoMotion Message: 7047 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Re: Problem with KStep
Hi Edwards,

The KSTEP finally arrived.  It had two blown driver chips that were also holding Enable always low (enabled).  We repaired it.  Everything else including the FETs were ok.  I have no idea how that could have happened.  How are you shorting the Step/Dir signals together?

Send me a private message where you would like us to send it.

Regards
TK