> Hi Jose,
>
> It would help if you gave us more information on what your background
> is and what parts you understand.
>
> Only use the "Move" button. Do not use the "Step" Button.
>
> The Blue plot is is the commanded trajectory (how we want to move).
>
> The Red Plot is the measured Encoder Position Response (how it is
> really moving)
>
> The Green Plot is the Output being sent to the Amplifier.
>
> Your system is totally unstable and oscillating at the maximum
> allowed amount. Because the Error is limited to 200 encoder counts.
> And the P gain is 0.2. The Maximum Output is 200 x 0.2 = 40 DAC
> counts.
>
> Try reducing the P Gain to try to get the system to stop oscillating.
>
> Try adding D gain to dampen the oscillations.
>
> Do you know what mode your Amplifier is in? Velocity? Torque?
>
> You said the DAC test was ok. But you did not tell us any thing about
> what happened.
>
> HTH
> Regards
> TK
>
> -------------------------
> FROM: "jcf@..." <jcf@...>
> TO: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> SENT: Saturday, May 11, 2013 2:33 PM
> SUBJECT: Re: [DynoMotion] Mach3 Explainme [2 Attachments]
>
> Tom
>
> 2 graphs one with the step button and other with move button
> Please explain me a little whats that
>
> regards,
> jose cstaneda
>
> El 2013-05-08 15:57, Tom Kerekes escribió:
> > Hi Jose,
> >
> > Like I said in the last email you really need to go step-by-step
> and
> > get the axes working in KMotion.exe before even attempting to run
> > Mach3.
> >
> > There isn't much you can do without the amplifiers and motors.
> >
> > You could test that the encoders are wired correctly and count
> > correctly. Connect the differential line driver encoders to the
> > Kanalog differential encoder inputs.
> >
> > Limit Switches are connected to KFLOP+Kanalog and configured in
> > KMotion.exe not Mach3. You can see if they are wired and working
> > correctly using KMotion's Digital IO Screen.
> >
> > There is a starting configuration for KFLOP+Kanalog called
> > KanalogInitialPID.mot. Load it into an axis channel from the
> KMotion
> > Configuration Screen. The basic first steps are to verify the
> > hardware:
> >
> > #1 - check the encoder counts correctly
> > #2 - check that the DACs can command the Amplifier to control
> motor
> > speed. Test Console commands like DAC0=200 (with the axis
> disabled)
> > #3 - Enable the Servo using the Step Response Screen. Zero, Enable
> >
> > Regards
> > TK
> >
> > -------------------------
> > FROM: "jcf@..." <jcf@...>
> > TO: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > SENT: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 12:11 PM
> > SUBJECT: [DynoMotion] Mach3 Explainme
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > I don't understand how kanalog + kflop working with the mach3. Do
> > you
> > can explain me. Please. I need running the machine this weekend. I
> > have
> > Allen Bradlley analog drives, Line driver encoders, 4 spindle, I
> > drive
> > for the 4 spindles, limit switches, etc. I don't can try the
> drives
> > until I go to the factory. When I go to factory, I need ready
> > working
> > with mach3 the inputs, outputs, encoders and after I can working
> > with
> > the analog drives. Please help me.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jose Castaneda
> >
> > El 2013-05-03 17:57, Tom Kerekes escribió:
> > > Hi Jose,
> > >
> > > The first step is to get a motor to move using KMotion.exe. Have
> > you
> > > done this? What type of amplifiers do you have?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > TK
> > >
> > > -------------------------
> > > FROM: "jcf@..." <jcf@...>
> > > TO: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > > SENT: Friday, May 3, 2013 1:23 PM
> > > SUBJECT: Re: [DynoMotion] Problems [2 Attachments]
> > >
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > This is my first time with your Kflop, but I think we can
> install
> > in
> > > our machines. but I need your help to go rapid success with your
> > > board
> > > and think to install in our machines.
> > > Do you can tell me how to configure the I/o in mach3 to mach
> with
> > > kflop
> > > the number of port and pin in the configuration page of mach3
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > jose castaneda
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Links:
> > > ------
> > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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> Hi Jose,
>
> Regarding:
>
> #1 - Unfortunately the Kanalog Outputs power up an random states
> until initialized.
>
> But the SWE is guaranteed to remain off until all the outputs are
> initialized off. You can use SWE to keep everything off until the
> outputs are initialized.
>
> #2 - To keep the axes from moving when the axes are disabled you will
> need to disable the amplifiers. You will need to interface the
> amplifier enables to KFLOP or Kanalog outputs.
>
> There is a C Program example called watchenable.c that can be used to
> activate an output whenever an axis is disabled.
>
> Regards
> TK
>
> -------------------------
> FROM: "jcf@..." <jcf@...>
> TO: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> SENT: Saturday, May 11, 2013 2:15 PM
> SUBJECT: Re: [DynoMotion] Mach3 Explainme [1 Attachment]
>
> Mr. Tom,
>
> Ok, I follow your instructions and setup a analog drive with motor
> to
> explain me the step I need to go for successful application.
>
> 1.- All input and oputputs is working. Only one thing. when apply
> power
> to the kanalog+kflop the bits 144 thru 151 goes ON and when the led
> in
> the kanalog+kflop go steady the bits 144 thru 151 goes off. This is
> a
> problem because we start 8 outputs until really control. please let
> me
> know how to start in OFF that bits.
>
> 2.- When the axis is disable the motor moves a little. I don't want
> to
> move. Please let me know what I can to stop the motor in disable
> axis
> mode. When I enable axis the motor remains motion less.
>
> 3.- I can command DAC0=XXX and working fine in both directions.
>
> Please help me with the first 2 issues.
>
> Regards,
> Jose Castaneda
>
> El 2013-05-08 15:57, Tom Kerekes escribió:
> > Hi Jose,
> >
> > Like I said in the last email you really need to go step-by-step
> and
> > get the axes working in KMotion.exe before even attempting to run
> > Mach3.
> >
> > There isn't much you can do without the amplifiers and motors.
> >
> > You could test that the encoders are wired correctly and count
> > correctly. Connect the differential line driver encoders to the
> > Kanalog differential encoder inputs.
> >
> > Limit Switches are connected to KFLOP+Kanalog and configured in
> > KMotion.exe not Mach3. You can see if they are wired and working
> > correctly using KMotion's Digital IO Screen.
> >
> > There is a starting configuration for KFLOP+Kanalog called
> > KanalogInitialPID.mot. Load it into an axis channel from the
> KMotion
> > Configuration Screen. The basic first steps are to verify the
> > hardware:
> >
> > #1 - check the encoder counts correctly
> > #2 - check that the DACs can command the Amplifier to control
> motor
> > speed. Test Console commands like DAC0=200 (with the axis
> disabled)
> > #3 - Enable the Servo using the Step Response Screen. Zero, Enable
> >
> > Regards
> > TK
> >
> > -------------------------
> > FROM: "jcf@..." <jcf@...>
> > TO: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > SENT: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 12:11 PM
> > SUBJECT: [DynoMotion] Mach3 Explainme
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > I don't understand how kanalog + kflop working with the mach3. Do
> > you
> > can explain me. Please. I need running the machine this weekend. I
> > have
> > Allen Bradlley analog drives, Line driver encoders, 4 spindle, I
> > drive
> > for the 4 spindles, limit switches, etc. I don't can try the
> drives
> > until I go to the factory. When I go to factory, I need ready
> > working
> > with mach3 the inputs, outputs, encoders and after I can working
> > with
> > the analog drives. Please help me.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jose Castaneda
> >
> > El 2013-05-03 17:57, Tom Kerekes escribió:
> > > Hi Jose,
> > >
> > > The first step is to get a motor to move using KMotion.exe. Have
> > you
> > > done this? What type of amplifiers do you have?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > TK
> > >
> > > -------------------------
> > > FROM: "jcf@..." <jcf@...>
> > > TO: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > > SENT: Friday, May 3, 2013 1:23 PM
> > > SUBJECT: Re: [DynoMotion] Problems [2 Attachments]
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> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > This is my first time with your Kflop, but I think we can
> install
> > in
> > > our machines. but I need your help to go rapid success with your
> > > board
> > > and think to install in our machines.
> > > Do you can tell me how to configure the I/o in mach3 to mach
> with
> > > kflop
> > > the number of port and pin in the configuration page of mach3
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > jose castaneda
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